E85 Ethanol and Vintage Cars

A question was recently asked if someone should, or could, use E85 fuel in a 1972 gasoline collector’s car.

The short answer is, no. E85 ethanol is a very poor idea to use in vintage cars.

A mixture of 85% ethanol and 15% gas, E85 ethanol, should not be consumed by any vehicle unless it is designated at the manufacturer as a “flex-fuel” vehicle. If you use E85 in a strictly gasoline car, not just a vintage collectible car, it may damage it beyond repair. E85 ethanol in a vehicle that is not made for e85 can cause major corrosion through out the entire fuel system, crack seals and hoses and it can remove lubrication off the engine’s cylinders. Also, both the E85 ethanol and widely available E10 ethanol will move old sludge buildup, varnish and other dirts from the fuel tank. As soon as these are within the fuel, it will cause fuel line and filter clogging as well as prohibit fuel injectors and carburetor jets from spraying correctly.

Despite its higher octane number, e85 ethanol has less energy then gasoline per gallon. In the industry, it has become a well-known fact that E85 in a “flex-fuel” vehicle capable of using gasoline. E85, will provide less miles per gallon compared to gasoline (Ethanol industry generally estimates it to be about a 30% drop).

Bush signs with Brazil to promote Ethanol

President Bush on Friday continued to say that the United States is not forgetting about Latin America and announced an alternative-fuel pact with Brazil to prove it.

“I don’t think America gets enough credit for trying to help improve people’s lives,” President Bush said at a news conference with Brazil’s President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva present. “My trip is to explain as clearly as I can that our nation is generous and compassionate.”

Bush played off attacks from Chavez, who is currently his primary South American tormentor. The Venezuelan leader is planning his own tour of the region along with Bush’s week long, five-country visit.

President Chavez said he did not come to sabotage Bush or his visit, saying the timing was purely coincidence, even as Bush arrived in Uruguay for his 36 hour stay.

Chavez uses his country’s oil wealth to reach out to other Latin Americans and to court other likely leaders.

When asked directly about Chavez’s latest threats, Bush refused to say Chavez by name, a common practice of his.

“I bring the good will of the United States to South America and Central America,” Bush said. “That’s why I’m here.”

Bush also made sure to note that the total aid provided by America has doubled since he took office to 1.6 billion dollars.

Bush sees Silva as a counter-balance to Chavez for the region.

As a sign of his standing, the president invited Silva to visit Camp David on March 31.

The the main reason of Bush’s Brazilian stop, the first before heading on to Uruguay, Colombia, Guatemala then Mexico, was a new ethanol agreement.

The two went in the morning to a large fuel depot for tanker trucks, the backdrop for arguments from Bush and Silva that increasing alternative-fuel use will lead to more jobs, a cleaner environment and greater independence from the whims of the oil market.

In Brazil, nearly eight in 10 cars already run on fuel made from sugar cane.

The agreement, signed Friday morning by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her Brazilian counterpart, has the U.S. and Brazil joining forces to promote more ethanol use in nations lying between Brazil and the United States. It also creates new quality standards for the alternative fuel.

But there were clear remaining tensions on a related issue: the 54-cent-a-gallon U.S. tariff on imports of Brazilian ethanol made from sugar, a measure designed to help U.S. corn growers. Ethanol can be made from either crop.

Before Bush’s visit, Silva said the duty was unjust and that he would urge Bush to seek to get the U.S. Congress to rescind it.

“It’s not going to happen. The law doesn’t end until 2009. And the Congress will … look at it when the law ends,” Bush commented while at the news conference.

For his region, Silva joked about the stalemate and his inability to alter Bush’s psyche.

“If I had that capacity for persuasion that you think I might have, who knows? I might have convinced President Bush to do so many other things that I couldn’t even mention here.”

“This is a process,” the Brazilian president added.

Bush and Silva also agreed to try to relaunch stalled global trade talks — the so-called Doha round — and Bush said, “We will work together. We will lock our trade ministers in a room, all aimed at advancing this important round.”

Susan Schwab, U.S. Trade Representative, was stayed behind to meet with Brazilian officials Saturday.

In Latin America, Brazil has the largest economy.

Pushing NASCAR towards e85 ethanol

Brent Dewar, GM’s vice president of field sales, service and parts, worked for General Motors in Brazil in the 1990s. He received a firsthand look at the country’s successful switch from a petroleum-based economy to ethanol.

Dewar would like to see the same thing happen in the United States of America, and he says NASCAR can help out. He is lobbying NASCAR officials to switch from gasoline to ethanol in their racecars.

“We would embrace it… We think it would be great on a lot of fronts, because obviously it would send a signal to the public. A lot of people don’t understand the benefits of ethanol,” said Dewar. “Other racing series are already embracing renewable fuel.”

At the start of this season, the Indy Racing League’s IndyCar Series will race on 100 percent pure ethanol. Later, the American LeMans Series will race on a 10 percent ethanol blend.

Dewar and others in the garage said NASCAR should explore alternative fuels — and no, not the same kind that Michael Waltrip was caught with in Daytona.

“Without a doubt, I think we should look into it,” says driver Jeff Burton. “Although our impact on environmental issues is probably very, very small from an actual use standpoint, from a marketing standpoint, we could have a major impact.”

Kyle Petty says NASCAR’s marketing horsepower might drive alternative fuels to the mainstream, helping consumers get over the negative image of hippies playing with their 1980s Mercedes to make them run on vegetable oil blends.

“I think once you start seeing alternative fuels show up in places like racing and places where you least expect them, then you don’t think about that guy with the Volkswagen van that runs off of whatever,” Petty stated.

NASCAR is taking a step in the direction of environmental responsibility by getting the lead out, catching up with a change consumers made in the 1980s by switching from leaded to unleaded fuel.

Spokesman for NASCAR, Ramsey Poston, said officials are willing to consider using renewable fuels, too.

“In terms of looking at the next step, obviously we’re open to options,” Poston stated.

Petty figures the whole country will switch to renewable fuels eventually, so why would not NASCAR and its official fuel supplier, Sunoco.

“You would like to think that they would take a leading role in it, especially through Sunoco’s involvement,” Petty said. “Because I know Sunoco’s taken a huge step in that direction.”

NASCAR teams also would have to modify their cars to run on ethanol, but Dewar said the switch wouldn’t be a “major investment.” And he said it ultimately would be worth the hassle.

Still, even proponents do not portray ethanol as a magic wand. Despite its renewable benefits, it can provide slight performance advantages. It is not imported from politically volatile countries and it burns much cleaner. The only drawback, ethanol is not as efficient as gasoline.

Today’s cars can run on 90 percent gasoline/10 percent ethanol blends, E10, cars have to be specially equipped or modified to run on purer blends of ethanol.

General Motors and other companies sell “flex fuel” vehicles that run on gasoline or E85, an 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline blend. Unfortunately, E85 is not widely distributed in America.

Gas stations in Brazil carry both regular gas and 100% ethanol. Most of the Brazil’s automobiles run on either of the two fuels. Given changes in fuel prices, Brazilian consumers can make an informed choice every time they fill their tank. Gasoline is about 20 percent more efficient than ethanol. If ethanol is 20 percent cheaper than gasoline, ethanol makes both econimic and environmental sense. Dewar was in Brazil in December and explained how ethanol was half the price of gasoline.

Innovations can also drive the price of ethanol down, he said. Most ethanol producted in the U.S. is made from corn. Ethanol is made from sugar cane in Brazil. Some researchers indicate certain kinds of grass and wood chips could be better to make ethanol. Ethanol Research is also working to develop enzymes, that break down waste into ethanol. In five years, Dewar expects cars to run on recycled trash.

With all that in mind, Petty says now it is time for NASCAR to go green. “The global warming thing, and all the things that are written about that, a lot more people are aware of the fact that we do need to do something,” Petty declared.